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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Sep 2, 2009 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The deadhead demographic

I remember reading inthe late 80's early 9's that Grateful dead shows were being hijacked by young people, with all the trouble that went with them - we all remember those stories.

What I am wondering, (and if this has been discussed before i'd love a link)is what is the age range of heads here? or in general. did the younger fan base fall away?
are there sufficient young heads to carry this forward or will it die with us?

The best of the music, like Beethoven or strauss or bach deserves to live on forever, and to be listened to and enjoyed - looking to the future how can we ensure this happens?

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 3, 2009 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

First Show, 5.12.77, Auditorium Theatre, Chicago. Yes, I jumped on during the fabled May 77 run. At the ripe old age of 13.

Born 1964.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Sep 3, 2009 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

First in 1967 (age 20), last in 1991 (age 44)

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Sep 3, 2009 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

I'm 48; first show was 11/25/79 @ UCLA. My 18 year old daughter and 16 year old son have quite a few friends that listen "to your old kind of music, dad". A few of them even listen to the boys and I've been quick to provide some with a few choice shows to get them more interested. I think the torch will be passed. Younger people are always rediscovering the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and of course our buds, the Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Hit 63. But I've got a 15-year old. Anyway, 63 is the new 50! I started in '70 at the Pasadena Civic of all places.

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Poster: Chiney Cat Date: Sep 2, 2009 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Since I am a newbie...

First show, Binghamton, May 5, 1979. From there saw almost every show on the fall tour. Spent a number of nights on the sidewalk on South Street in Philadelphia outside a drugstore that had a Ticketron. Waiting for tickets was almost as much fun as the shows...

and I approach 51 years...

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

It's been loosely bantered about and ages were given at one of the evil Prime Minister's mandatory roll calls. If I recall correctly the majority was 40-45 years old with 50-55 years old next. The makeup of the roll call was primarily regulars on the forum, which really shouldn't be considered authoritative in terms of who uses and listens to the music.

There's quite a discrepancy between those who listen to and rate shows, versus the "Lords of the Flies" that inhabit the forum. Most names don't cross over.

I think it fair to say that there's almost an equivalent amount of folks that are oriented towards the 80's as there are the 70's. It seems to be age dependent, those that came of age in the 70's have that preference and likewise for those that got on the bus in the 80's. Familiarity does not breed contempt in this case.

There's 2 that stand stalwart for the 60's and a few drones that attend to them due to either their title or their demeanor. Pick one.

Also, in general, those that tend toward the 80's were probably more likely to attend 90's shows and defend our boys right up to the bitter end. Those that are more 60's and 70's oriented give no quarter to the Welnick Peoples.

Some seventies citizens have been known to sneak across the border into the 80's, but usually not past '83. Really depends on whether it was a cape cod show or not. Acoustic listeners will also head to the 80's but stop right there with the Warfield shows or the Radio City shows.

Deadheads...easy to stereotype.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 3, 2009 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

"..The makeup of the roll call was primarily regulars on the forum, which really shouldn't be considered authoritative in terms of who uses and listens to the music"

God damn it, you shall respect my auhorita!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368/?searchterm=Chickenlover

Lord of the Flies? You gotta love anyone who can work that in to a post.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Sep 2, 2009 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

I'm 37.... I only saw 3 shows in Oakland in '89 (or so). In the early/mid '90's, I bought all the official studio & live releases, before all the Dicks Picks started pouring out, and basically "learned" all the core songs. None of my friends liked the band, so I was basically at it on my own. Back then, I met one older guy through work that was into the band, and I still remember him saying something like "you have no idea what you're getting into. It's a pandora's box." I didn't really understand it then, but now I sure do.

Stumbled upon archive.org about 1.5 years ago, and I fell deep into the rabbit hole. I truly believe I'll still be enjoying this music when I'm old & grey (and in the way).

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Hittin' the big 40 on the 30th. First shows were Fall '87 at MSG. Feel old. Real old. e

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 2, 2009 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

when I wake up in the morning I feel like 108 (1/2 my real age - 54 for those not good at maths).

Still like the same music I did when I was 16(-ish) - the good old grateful dead.

Induction was asking the local record shop to play me something from 'Live/Dead' - they pointed me towards a listening booth and put on 'Lovelight'. After the first few (crazy) minutes of double drums, pumping bass, Jerry crawling all over it and Pigpen belting out "Without a warning..." there was no way back .....

Next was a translucent green 12inch vinyl 'TMQ' bootleg which I have subsequently traced to (FM broadcast from Winterland) 4th October 1970 which was just more icing on an already delicious cake. The point of no return was now set in concrete.

Put me in the 'dead & buried' category - no chance of recovery (and glad).

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 2, 2009 11:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

108 = twice my real age (54).

Memo to self - cut down on the beer on the cornflakes !!!!!

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Poster: boltman Date: Sep 5, 2009 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

54. Born in SF, grew up in San Carlos (down the Peninsula), would hop a train with friends to get to the city on Saturday and catch whoever was playing at Fillmore and later Winterland, catch a train or bus depending on the time back home, often wasted and trying to find our way home as the song goes. Saw the Dead when they were in town. When we got the license and could snag a car would do the same. Moved to San Diego in 72 and caught the Dead there. Last show was Irvine Meadows (4-7-84).

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Sep 3, 2009 4:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

im 20 years old, and "discovered" the dead about two years ago.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Sep 3, 2009 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

39 - didn't even hear of the Grateful Dead until 1989 - product of growing up in small town Iowa on the South Dakota/Minnesota boarder. First/last show Vegas '95. First time I heard a live bootleg, was hooked. Got all the albums and they didn't disappoint. Never looked back - found this forum going on four years ago - lovin' every minute of it (whoa, ooah, whoa, ooh)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Mando looks 37, acts 17, feels like 87.........

must be 47.

First show - 6/10/73. Dad took me to RFK. All I remember is how hot it was and how many people there were. And how my Mom got after my Dad when he mentioned that there were people there who were smoking dope.

Didn't really climb on for real until '76 with shows at the Spectrum, Baltimore and Landover with an occasional foray over to Jersey.

Stopped in 79 when I went to the Naval Academy - started back up in '84 at SPAC in Saratoga while stationed as a student at the nuke training prototype. Came back as an instructor in 88-90 and saw SPAC, Knickerbocker, Glens Falls, Albany and Springfield.

What was the original question?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 2, 2009 11:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

I have no doubt that young people are picking up on the Dead all the time.
The Dead might not be the FAVORITE band of under-30s folk, and precise knowledge of their music is pretty spotty outside the collector circles (and even inside, since the Dead cover such a wide range)....but the music's still there for kids to discover, and people are still discovering it.

It's like asking, "Will young people listen to the Beatles anymore? Or will the music die with us?" The good stuff will last for the foreseeable future - the Dead are not like some unknown, underground band you have to "know the right people" to discover! They are, however, tricky in that many people have to hear just the right tunes/shows in order to get into them.
Pop music has gone through some changes in the last decade, but nothing like the '50s/60s upheaval that made everything that came before sound antiquated. So I think the Dead and many other bands of that era will keep enchanting people for a long time to come.

Earl makes a good point - this forum is totally not representative of Dead fans at large. But I think college kids do pop up on here from time to time....

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Poster: West Cumberland Blues Date: Sep 3, 2009 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

I'm 29 and never saw a show, which is why I don't rate them. So I guess I don't fit into the deadhead demographic as I am just a really big fan. I had Workingman's on vinyl in high school but no live stuff. Really got into the band a few years ago when I got this cubicle job and found this site. Now I listen to a minimum of a couple shows per day, usually TDIH, and lurk in this forum 40 hours per week, trying to learn a few things. I prefer the 70's stuff, occasionally venture into the 60's and rarely listen to the 90's. This is my favorite band, nothing else even comes close. This band will live on as long as the music is available. So, thank you archive and thank you forumites. Peace.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Sep 3, 2009 3:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

This and Earl's post above strike me as right on the money. Much of the music is deep and rich enough to stand alongside the best from 400 years of American culture. And though it's so characteristically American that it will probably always resonate with listeners here, much of it is also so timelessly transcendental that other people will also always "get it." I have little doubt that it will always be available and heard by large numbers of people, long after there's no one alive who can personally remember hearing it live. In the near term, think of all the young people who show up for the band's various reincarnations today.

Myself, I'm 56. I stumbled on LiveDead shortly after it came out in 1969, didn't much like it (still rooted in folky style at the time), and a few months(?) later was won over by Workingman's and American Beauty. Have never been away from the music for long, ever since.

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Sep 3, 2009 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

51 years old. First show was in '74, last in '90. I threw in the towel because there were too many kids making a mess of the scene.

I was only 32 at the time...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 3, 2009 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

44 years old. Discovered the dead through tapes from a friend in college but didn't make it to a show until 1990.

As for the youth, last fall I was in my son's baseball dugout and i overheard two 14 year old kids talking about Jerry Garcia and The Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

First show was Englishtown, 32 years ago. I just turned 49.

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

hey purple gel, how does 49 feel!?!

I am at 18 days and counting...YIKES!!!

Seems like yesterday I was here
Dreamin' my life away and drinkin' beer
Staying up till dawn strummin' on guitars
Sleepin' all day long just like the big rock stars
Barely livin' on money from tip jars

I had a little place just up the block
Had me a French girlfriend I loved the way she talked
We spent our afternoons watchin' the TV
Findin' things to do that we could do for free
When we split up she said you don't do enough for me

I am guilty of a dreadful selfish crime
I had robbed myself of all my precious time

Had my first gig here in the neighborhood
We had a little band I thought was good
Hocked my old shotgun bought a used P.A.
We got a quart of rum drank it all that day
When the big gig come we were just to drunk to play
-rek


This post was modified by veblen on 2009-09-03 00:47:30

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Didn't see my first show until 11/5/79. 2cd 8/30/80. Both in Philly. Four nights of the Radio City runs next - waiting in the long line the night before tix went on sale, and the way the venue honored the "list" that we kept, was a formative moment in my becoming a head for life.

Graduated HS 1976 (Maplewood NJ) sure wish I'd been going to shows then! I'd been digging the boys since my brother turned me on @ '72.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

I'm sort of in the 'middle generation' - first show May 1979, and staring down the barrell of 47 right this minute - but have been surprised by some of the younger folks who pop up here from time to time.

The regulars I believe are old and older farts like myself. You might ask for a roll call ...

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

thats good to hear - i'm a few years behind - got into the dead in 83 on the back of a book of album covers - fell in love with Blues for Allah cover - couldnt find it so bought workingmans dead and live dead, and never looked back. i'm hitting 44 in a few weeks, like you " middle dead"

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Earl makes a good point below about the lack of crossover between the forum and the shows/reviews. There is no reason to believe that the forum is representative of the people who use the GD archive.

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:57pm
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its good to year younger people like the music if not the bitching!

Of course when the get older and figure out what they've missed out on...

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

First show was 87 senior of hs. Wasn't a deadhead per say we just went to all concerts because there was nothing else to do and really enjoyed music. Now of course I wish that i would have taken advantage of more Dead shows. AH Shit! missed the fun bus again.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

Well, DL, we did an "age" thread long ago, just like the "location?" thread below, but my guess is we have too many newbies to make it meaningful to just revisit the old one.

My sense of it is most everyone falls into the 30-50 range, with a serious glut around 45-55...

Maybe that's just cause I am 52 going on 91.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:36pm
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Ha! 52 and he thinks he's in the 30-50 range. How's life in these golden years treating you? Still wipe yourself, or do you have "people"?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 2, 2009 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

If you knew how close you were to the truth, you'd feel bad about mentioning it!

So THERE!

I think...

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

it seems to me to that that is the range, mature but still with enough spirit to make this a fun place to be. Just because you're 40 or 50, or 60 or 91 doesnt mean yo're old

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 2, 2009 5:50pm
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52? damn I thought you were old.

Fellow forumites I hereby declare our PM to be a "teller of untruths". Been telling me he was old. He's just a kid.

Oh, by his mathematical equation I am 58 going on 97. As Bobby Z might say, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 3, 2009 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

52?

You mean we're the same age?

And there was I thinking of you as the Ancient One to my Doctor Strange(love), Master Po to my Kwai Chang Caine.

And there you are, a mere contemporary after all.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 3, 2009 8:51am
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You must have FORGOTTEN (har, har). Or at least I think so...?

Reason being, I somehow knew YOU were 52.

Hmmm, not sure how to take the comments above about everyone thinking I was so much older...guess that's because this broken down carcass with all its problems somehow translates via the posting process, or it's because I am such a whiner about whatever happens to be bothering me on a given day.

Always good to see you here Rob!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 2, 2009 4:50pm
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38 years old, first (3) shows were 1994 Capital Center. It was walking distance from my apartment in Largo MD, and I got to see all the freaks, so I said what the hey. I guess was a severely late bloomer.

Mama said to stay away from those people back when I was younger. What does she know.

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Poster: nagdot Date: Sep 3, 2009 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The deadhead demographic

im 43 from buffalo ny. had many chances to see the boys in late 70s and the 80s.(many places within a few hour drive)my only show was 6-6-92. altho i saw my first show in 81(which was superfest)see i was a metalhead. still am but i dont have many deadhead friends in my town.(just here and a few other boards)my tour friend was a druggy not a deadhead. actually i had tix to the "truckin up to buffalo" 7-4-89 show. it rained all nite and early mornin. then i got called into work, so double time and a half plus a free day off. i couldnt pass it up so i miracled a friend.

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